With the right gear on ( not classe) i think they are Very Very good
In fact the sound was more right on ML no29 then no334.. go figure
And i also had good result with Modified Holfi gear
I never understood the accuse of sounding harsh untill i had the no334, and the sound was to analytical
But if you get the mach right ( system cable ect ) then they are Great allroundspeakers, and they look nice imho

Life like sound pressure levels.
Amazing imaging and detail.
Very dynamic and revealing.
Best vocals I've heard

Very revealing of poor recordings and electronics.
Power hungry can easily use up to 500 watts/ch.

After more than 5 years I still feel these are the best all around speaker I have ever heard. They are very revealing of both the recording and the electronics. They do need power, lots of power. Don't purchase these speakers if you can't afford the amplification to drive them.
I still feel the Bryston 14B SST was made for these speakers, but there are lots of amps that will drive them, but they won't be cheap. I was recently made aware of a simple tweek that can be done to the crossover for those that feel the top end is too bright. I myself have a very acoustically bright listening room with hardwood floors, lots of glass windows and leather furniture..... not a great listening environment. My wife only allowed so much room treatment, so I tried the tweek and it sounds awesome. It involves very carefully laying the speaker down on it's side (not an easy feat) and removing the two rear castors and the wooden cover plate of the crossover using metric allan wrenches. You then locate the high frequency crossover board which is clearly identified. On it are two Vishay RCH50 3 Ohm 1% resistors wired in parallel for a total resistance(1/R1 + 1/R2= 1/R total) of 1.51 ohms. If you unsolder or cut the wire from the farthest resistor from the input and output wire, you will put all the current thru the one resistor that is left and you will end up with 3 ohms of resistance. This will accomplish two things, it will drop the output of the tweeter by approximately 2.5 dB and allow the tweeter to safely handle slightly more power.
I was told of this mod by a tech who used to service B&W speakers.
We don't live in anechoic chambers, and if you have a brighter sounding room this works wonders. It takes the edge off without losing detail or air.

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Sound qualities are too long to list - beautiful look - uncompromising build - will last a lifetime

Won't cope with mass market elements - extremely demanding in terms of amplification - Difficult to place in the room - heavy

I red a lot of pros and cons regarding these speakers. To my opinion they are one of the best sounding speakers I've heard BUT they are demanding indeed. Demanding in terms of amplification, demanding in terms of source, demanding in terms of cables and demanding in terms of placement. Once you have achieved solving the above equation you'll be ready for hours of pure listening pleasure.
Amplification is key. the 802 require big amps ie lots of current and power reserve. Don't go for the 802s if your amp does not deliver a minimum of 400W/Chanel and at least 180.000 microF of capacitance. I linked my 802 to a McIntosh MC402 and a 2200 tube preamp and believe me it sounds good. Whatever I listen I have a great soundstage, very defined musical image, lots of dynamics, great midrange, precise and powerful bass and exquisite quality in the upper range of the spectrum. Everything is harmonious.
The 802 are uncompromising speakers and will reveal immediately a weakness in your system: mass market am and preamp? forget it. A so so CD player? don't even think of it. Average cables (speaker - interconnect - power)? buy something else. A poor recording? well you'll end up will a beautifullyrestituted poor recording.
We are dealing with high end here and this sport is budget demanding. It's not about saving money it's about an hedonistic feeling called pleasure.
Placement is also key and so is room size. These speakers deliver much better in large rooms which according to Paris' appartments standards is above 40 sqm.
Placement should be at least 3 feet from the back and side walls. I spent one month finding the right position. Toe in angle is also subtile to determine and requires patience. These babes are heavy and you'll need a forgiving friend to help you move them (forget about your wife or GF).
My last advice would be to use horizontal bi-amplification for the 802s. My Mc 402 delivers great but my next step will be to have one amp per speaker (McIntosh MC 1202 - Cello - Krell?)... I told you it's all about pleasure not money.

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You name it. And at this price they are in a class with speakers costing up to $60,000 dollars. Not that they are better tan those more expensive model, just in the same class.

They are VERY hot looking. Like something an advanced alien society left behind as a house gift.

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I have owned the early (1982) b&w 802 Series One and most recently I have lived with a used pair of the B&W 801 of the same vintage. Over the years I have refined all aspects of the electronics and wiring of my system. Each time the vintage 801s registered the changes with improved sound. I was really happy.

Then I went to the San Francisco Symphony once again recently and heard an orchestra that has at last arrived at a place I call world-class, IMHO. I sat in a sweet-spot in the hall second balcony front row center. So for the hell of it I compared a good recording of the Mahler 7th with my auditory memory of the way it sounded that recent night in Davies Hall. The comparison found my speakers with the tubby bass I'd always hated hearing reviews comment on and generally just a very good approximation of the real thing. So I went to my local B&W purveyor and listened to the Nautilus 803, the Nautilus 803D (better) and the Nautilus 802D. After having experienced the rich,full 801s, the 803 sounded thin and speaker-ish. Then we listened to the N802D. They had it all. I could hear the brassy brass and the pulse of the tympani. The bass amzaed me with its articulation. The top to bottom coherence defied my previous understanding of the limitations of the physical world of acoustics.

But they cost $12,000.

For $5,500 I found the preceding model the Nautilus 802 lightly used on the internet and bought them. These speakers use the advantages of a first-rate front end and delivery music in my living room that reveals musical detail beyond any expectation I could have imagined. Certainly having these babies in my listening room, which I have cultivated in terms of equipment and room acoustics to maximize the sound of the 802s grandfather, the old 801s, made them bloom in a way they cannot in a retailer's showroom. The 802 satisfiy my ears and my need for the pleasure of feeling the music pass over and around me. They have accurate slam, unfailing pacing and immodest detail across the audio spectrum. My test CD provides a track with a tone that slides from 20Hz to 20KhZ. The result: a laser-like central image of a sliding tone moving seamlessly across the entire audible bandwith.

I love music and the joyous reproduction my speakers bring, and write this review to inspire others like me to check out the B&W line.

Finally know I listen to punk rock, Brit Pop, all classical music down from Wagner to solo recorder. Across the range of musical material, these speakers place me in audiophile hog-heaven!

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The best looking and the best sound speaker

Expensive, VERY HEAVY

This is the best speaker that I have listen to. I use THETA CASABLANCA III and DREADNAUGHT II and Transparent reference balance cabling. The sound of the N802 is phenomenon. The sound stage is wide, crisp, and the bass is tight. The speaker is state of the art in construction, and very exotic looking. If you mate the N802 with the HTM1 center and DS8S surround, you got your self a killer system period. I highly recommand the N802 to anybody.

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Dynamic range, imaging, resolution in a wide and deep soundstage. High WAF.

Deep bass in my listening room although I suspect deep bass would be adequate in a dedicated listening room.

My N802's produce the most palpable mid-range of any speaker I've had in my own listening room. Driven by quality class A system components and good source material the N802's are capable of delivering the dynamic range required by large symphonic orchestras, imaging that places instruments in their proper place in the soundstage, and the resolution to hear every nuance of the performance. In my listening room the N802's produce a wide, deep, holographic soundstage.

My listening room is a typical south Florida style family room (open floor plan with high ceilings and lots of glass) that presents challenges for any speaker system. IMO the listening room is the most important audio system component. Since I don't have the luxury of a dedicated listening room I've treated the early reflection points and placed bass traps on the front wall corners. Based on the room dimensions I've paid very strict attention to system setup by placing the speakers an optimal distance out from the front and side walls and ensuring system symmetry.

The N802's are indeed an excellent speaker at their price point.

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I want to correct a review I made earlier about these speakers after listening to them in a dealer’s showroom. A year ago I bought a pair of these speakers and have no complaints whatsoever about them. Use them with a Musical Fidelity Kw 500 integrated, Nu-Vista 3D CDP, and transparent cabling throughout. The result is nothing short of total satisfaction, and I will not be changing these speakers for the duration A friend hit the nail on the head – they are the domestic final solution

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Transparent and open with an immense amount of detail, where vocals are unforced and articulate. Mid and trebles are very crisp, open and explicit. Tuneful bass that is detailed and capable of great power when required. Wide and deep soundstage, which is three dimensional and airy. Precise and stable stereo imaging.

Rebels if paired with mass-market stuff. Needs decent partnering gear and therefore can sound disastrous if mismatched.

It’s fascinating to read the cross section of opinions on this product and I can quiet empathies with those who loathe them and wise versa, as I have been on both sides of the fence at various points. My initial hearing of the N 802 was when it was paired with Krell Equipment and Transparent cables. I recollect being completely gutted, for want of another word, at how poor the speakers sounded. The base, what little of it was audible, was lumpy and unruly, the treble bright and irritating. I couldn’t comprehend what the fuss was all about. I had completely given up so much as even considering these horrendous sounding things and just prior to settling down for the fantastic Sonus Faber Amarti’s, accidentally stumbled upon yet another pair of N 802 paired with top of the line Levinson gear this time, connected once again with Transparent cables right across. Contrary to my previous experience, I was left mesmerized on this occasion. The N 802’s sounded like they were a completely different product altogether. It was then clear to me that these speakers, like most, need to be carefully partnered and that means getting the right combination rather than the most expensive. No other speaker that I’ve heard – and that’s more than I care to remember - varied so dramatically in their performance as these did. I was convinced enough to invest in a pair immediately and risked combining them with a Bryston 14B SST power amp, even though I had not listened to this combo, nor read any prior reviews of it at the time. I must confess that my decision was based merely on the affordability of this stunning amp. The compatibility of the combo? Walla! Spot on! Yet, one could tell that there was more to be eked out from these babies. I vaguely recollected then, that I had read somewhere about an owner stating the magic of Muse electronics Model 9 signature as a source component with the N 802’s. So once again I logged on to the web-sight of this manufacturer and since reviews were almost non-existent, decided to take the plunge. Call it luck, but the whole soundstage took a leap forward, resulting in the Nautilus’ breathing life into my room. The sound was phenomenal. I had unknowingly put together a perfect combination that gives me endless hours of listening pleasure and out performs combos that cost three and even four times more. I now use the Muse Electronics Model 11 as a source component along with Transparent Cables all the way. I really haven’t got adequate superlatives to do this combos performance justice. I also tried the Krell SACD standard however the Muse is ahead in a number of areas, even though this brand somehow does not get much attention by the hifi press. Moral of the story? These speakers need to be partnered with decent gear and of the right choice, so careful matching and listening is paramount. If one is lucky enough to hear these babies at their best, there will be no doubt about the incredible value of the product or the sheer genius of the team behind its creation. They truly are gems that are capable of achieving hifi Nirvana at an affordable price. Use the spikes, bi-wire them. Pity those who missed out on the experience.

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Build quality is astonishing. The quality of the sound reproduction is better still. Looks, although i can appreciate that's a matter of taste.

They're not small, so might not suit smaller rooms. Damn heavy too! And *so* revealing, they can strip weaker recordings to the bone.

I have to laugh. When somebody sdays their idea of musical Nirvana is Signature 805s (excellent though they are), i just can't take a critical review of 802 Nautilus seriously. Let's get this straight. The 802s need three things; 1. Great quality source components 2. Amps with sufficient wallop 3. A lot of experimentation in placement They lack bass?? LOL, absolute nonsense. Come and listen to mine - bring body armour with you. They sound boxy? LOL, come and listen to mine - hear things more lifelike than you've ever heard them before. They aren't full range? Not even worthy of a response. They lack soundstage? Well mine currently fill the entire lounge, most of the dining room and a good portion of the garden. Where DO these people listen to these things??!! At the end of the day, if you get the above three criteria right, you won't want for another speaker, ever. Period. End of. Oh, and swap the midrange centre cones for the aluminium items fitted to the 800s. And don't keep them on the rollers - they're EVEN better on the spikes!

Build Quality is in a class of its own! Midrange and tweeter are magnificently silky smooth! Ample amounts of bass! Amount of R&D B&W pumps into their speakers. (Read the B&W technical document, "Development of the Signature 800." Guess what...the same technology filters right into the 802s) What is not to like in a speaker that nears absolute perfection.

NO WEAKNESSES IN THIS SPEAKER! People who review these that think they know what they are talking about. (Come on people... George Lucas at Skywalker ranch uses the 802s with Chord amplification) It simply does not get any better than this!!!

There always seems to be a love / hate attitude for B&W. I don't understand how people can hate a speaker that plays exactly what you give it without coloration. FOLKS, THERE IS A GOOD REASON WHY GEORGE LUCAS USES N802s AT SKYWALKER TO MIX AND WHY ABBEY ROAD IN THE UK USE THE N802s TO MIX AS WELL. It is perhaps one of the best speakers I have heard PERIOD!!! Yes, some recordings don't sound as good becuase this speaker is sooo revealing. A speaker is really designed to deliver exactly the signals it has been given. How can one fault a great speaker that delivers what it is given. GET REAL PEOPLE and buy decent software for your hardware and better yet buy good hardware to begin with instead and fix the real problem...which is not the 802s at all. Look at the money B&W spends on acoustic research to chase perfection. Again, there is a reason the best mixing and recording studios in the WORLD use B&Ws. They are everything an serious listener wants in a speaker and more.