i ordered these with out hearing them,i took a massive gamble, but when i hooked these up to my nad amp 355, and the new pioneer blu-ray play my jaw dropped to the floor, simply in one word these speakers are amazing,the bass these produce are brilliant, i would recommend these to anyone with a good system i.e a good amp to drive them,if you hook these up to a amp that is class, the sound is gorgeous,talk about feeling the music through your body, these are the speakers your mother warned you of. five stars both build and sound quailty,