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Conrad-Johnson Premier 17LS
12 Reviews
rating  5 of 5
MSRP  4500.00
Description: Tubed Line Stage PreAmplifier


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Reviewed by:
paulwbranner
(AudioPhile)

Review Date
September 2, 2006

Overall Rating
 5 of 5

Value Rating
 5 of 5

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Price Paid:  $2379.00 from Audiogon

Summary:
Well, well, well. Now having the 17 LS brings me to what music is all about. Before I could really get to know this gear I had to get the system in prime shape. First things first. D5, Kontact,and then Pro gold. Then the most important tweek, RCA caps from top to bottom(MCM in one.com 89 cents each. Some Bozo on Audiogon was selling these for $5.00 a pair) Now the system has integrity. The CJ has great build quality and it is over sized to be show cased. Not to be stuck in a rack, it won't fit anyway. It is to be sat on top or on table. I have mine on a table made out of solid black walnut. Real handsome piece to look at!

Right away I noticed the tone. This was scary. It's been a long time since I heard this kind of realism. Then came the soundstage, this is by far the most impressive. My Mags(3.6r) came to life then I was drawn in further and further.
Then came time to test the 17LS with my reference stuff. First up on digital was Mycoy Tyner, Land of the Giants. The CJ bought it full cirlcle. This will bring out the best in a system as well as its shortcomings! Then came Marc Antoine, Modern Times. This is well recorded and very demanding on dynamics. This is a complicated CD. One of my favorites. This CD is one of few I can listen from start to finish every time its in a session! Next up was Bob James Trio, Take it from the top. I love this CD. By far, in my humble opinion, is the best BJ has done! Execellent songs, great band, real serious recording. The final digital stop is Renee Olstead, self title. Hard to believe she was just 14 when she recorded this. All standards that will test any system. The tone has to be right, otherwise it is not fun to listen to and fatique sets in real quick! Not with the CJ. All of the tracks blended well together. Especially at low volumes...

On to vinyl. First up, Chick Correa, My Spanish Heart. You have to be there to believe it! Then is was Patricia Barbara, Cafe Blue. This should be in every collection. I have a half speed master. Cherry Mint ofcourse. Hard to imagine that it could be better than SACD. It is. By leaps and bounds. Hard not to listen to every track over and over again.
Finally, Joe Sample, Carmel. This is truly an amazing recording. I heard Joe humming in the backround, and his breath was right in front of me! Very suttle, and real. This recording was miked in a simple configuration but very demanding. If not played with a quality set up, the players are smeared on top of each other. Not so with the CJ. The players were easy to pin point and Joe's playing was from center to right center on just about all the tracks. Pretty nice set up.
The 17LS is a winner and deserves its props! The cat I bought it from, told me it far exceeds the ARC Reference 2. He was pissed to let the CJ go! This says alot about the 17LS. I love ARC gear. As a matter of fact, I was considering the LS25. I am so glad I went with the CJ!
Great tube pre amps are not inexpensive. I remember my first CJ pre amp back in 82'. I couldn't believe this small box cost $700! After I hooked it up and took a listen, then I said yeah ok.
The LS retailed for $4500 its cousin, the LS2 retails at about 6k. Having bought this on the used market, I did good. On the other hand, I would have definately went out and spent retail as well. Not for the LS2. I heard it's not that big of a difference.
In addition too. You have to have the right gear. Do not play around with this. Any weak link will be disasterous!

Strengths:
Tone
Tmbre
Sounstage
Realism
Detailed
Well designed remote

Weaknesses:
Some say the clicking is a shortcoming, not I!!!

Similar Products Used:
Krell
ARC
Music Fidelity
Mark Levinson
Ayre


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Reviewed by:
paulwbranner
(AudioPhile)

Review Date
August 22, 2006

Overall Rating
 5 of 5

Value Rating
 4 of 5

Used product for
Less than 1 month

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Price Paid:  $2379.00 from Audiogon

Summary:
I have been a fan of CJ gear for many many years. With the 17LS I can see why. I just did a soft listening session with some low end cables. My custom Mogami cables will be installed next week. Stay tuned...
This is a scary piece of gear. By far ahead of what I use to have.

Strengths:
Imaging
Realism
Prescence
Soundstage

Similar Products Used:
ARC
Joule


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Reviewed by:
Lindsay
(Audio Enthusiast)

Review Date
July 17, 2006

Overall Rating
 5 of 5

Value Rating
 5 of 5

Used product for
More than 1 year

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Price Paid:  $4250.00 from The Audio Consultant

Summary:
The Premier 17LS2 is still brilliant after over 2 years of use. Now changed the power amp for a VTL ST150 with KT88 valves. The pre-amp soundstage can be improved even more by using cryo-treated valves. They seem to give more space around each musician and solidify the focus. I got mine from Watford valves for £28 each plus the dreaded VAT for NOS valves, worth every pound. The price paid for the 17LS2 was £4250 of which I still think was a good price for the quality delivered. I would highly recommend it to anyone interested in a natural 3d soundstage with superb control and focus.

Strengths:
No weaknesses

Weaknesses:
none


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Reviewed by:
afan
(Audio Enthusiast)

Review Date
September 13, 2005

Overall Rating
 5 of 5

Value Rating
 5 of 5

Used product for
1 to 3 months

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Price Paid:  $2400.00 from audiogon

Summary:
It make a huge difference. I have not relized that a Pre-AMP can open up so much.

However, I am writing this to tell another secret. I read about the Conrad Johnson ART review at Audiophile and found a note. All interconnect cable should be kept within 10 feet. At any point, Interconnect cable should keep 4 inches clearance from power cable. I visit some store and internet stores. I have found $200+ to $500 cable spacer. It just sounds stupid to me. a week ago, I was swimming with kids. I see the "noodle". It is 6 Foot floating form with a hole in it. I took two cut it in 6 inches to 1 foot long with bread knife. I cut again along the tube so the cable can insert in. Then magic happened again. My wife ran into me and ask what I had brought again. It sounds that much different to her. It is about $3.99 a noodle. It is too cheap not to try.

Strengths:
I wonder what ART can do that 17LS is very good already. I know know what is "click, click, click"....

Weaknesses:
Don't bother with 17LS2. It is not a lot better.


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Reviewed by:
Lindsay
(Audio Enthusiast)

Review Date
June 26, 2004

Overall Rating
 5 of 5

Value Rating
 5 of 5

Used product for
Less than 1 month

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Price Paid:  $4250.00 from The Audio Consultant

Summary:
This unit is the 17LS2 which has the new style capacitors. It has 5 line inputs through a selector plus two other direct inputs bypassing the selector. One has adjustable volume control and the second direct input is used for a home theater system and is set to a utility gain (non adjustable). It uses four 6922 valves, and the unit sounds ideally suited to the supplied standard Sovtek valves (tubes for the yanks). However when you remove the cover above the valves and then add Shun Mook Anti-valve resinators the system just seems to increase the soundstage again and become even more solid, if that is possible. The screw threads are N0.6-32 UNC for those of you that wish to replace the top posts.
The price of this Premier in the UK is £5000, but I managed to get mine for £4250. Thanks Steve.

Strengths:
The character is open with an enormous sound stage. It is layered in all three dimensions. Solid soundstage with a naturalness that I have not heard bettered. Solid state...eat your heart out. The range is just increadable without any hint of being harsh although being completely unrestrained.

Weaknesses:
None that I can think of.

Similar Products Used:
Audio Research SP16L is the unit that it replaced.

Remainder of the system consists of:
conrad-johnson MV60SE power-amp
Copland CDA822 cd player
Avalon Accoustics Avatar loudspeakers
Isotek mains conditioner
cables by Cardas and Transparent Audio.


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