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Review NaN of
Price Paid:
$800.00
from Audiogon Summary: Mine is the 2005 model (no choice for 2005 in the drop down menu so I had to choose 2004), with a pair of 12AU7s driving a single 300B. The amps share a power box, but an extra power box can be bought from Dared to make "true" monoblocks. $800 is approximately my "out-the-door" price for the amp equipped with the optional Shuguang 300B tubes and single powerbox. You might get a better deal if your timing is right on ebay or audiogon.
Out of the box - the amp really blew my mind. It was my first SET. I really felt like I was on to something, because the sound became really 3-dimensional and filled my small room richly. Voices and instruments hovered in the air - my speakers disappeared.
I bought some RCA clearplate and Telefunken 12AU7s and threw away the chinese 12AU7s that came with the amp. After listening a little while like this, I SOLD my Audio Note Soro. I like the Dared SET better!
THEN, I found some Western Electric 300B tubes on the internet for a good price, and I learned from Dared that I need to change the cathode resistor to use them (awesome after-sale support from the distributor). So I bought a 1K ohm, 25 Watt resistor, and I really wish I had done this sooner!! I'm sure the Dared engineers know what they are doing, but once I changed the resistor (still using the chinese 300B tubes that came with the amp), I immediately felt that the amps could be turned up higher with less distortion. Sounded good. Could be my imagination but I thought the amp was better after this one and only change.
Now I have plugged in my WE 300B tubes, and at first I did not realize a tremendous difference (truly the 300Bs that are sold with the amp are quite excellent). But after I played some Pink Floyd, I realized that the WE tubes were giving me deep bass slam that was missing before. Are the WE tubes worth $700-$800/pair? I don't know - it's a fun hobby and it's cool to have WE tubes. I think the Shuguang tubes were really good frankly. I have to assume the WE will last longer and they do have better bass.
To make a long story short - these amps are a tremendous value at the internet price. You can hear what SET sound is like and then you can decide whether to keep your solid state gear (or your more expensive tube gear). For me - I decided that the Dareds were all I needed for my special HiFi and guitar gear room! I am extremely pleased with these amps. If you buy them, give it a try to change the cathode resistor to 820 or 1000 ohm and see if you experience the same as me. Easy to switch back if you don't like it better. Plus it is fun to tweak gear!
Oh yes, and one more thing... I've used it with and without a dedicated preamp. I think the sound is better with a separate preamp, and besides I like to have remote volume control and easy source switching - so I use it with a preamp. But you don't need to use a separate preamp if you don't mind manual volume control and changing interconnects to switch sources (tuner/cd).
My associated equipment:
CAL ICON MKII HDCD
Hafler kit tuner
Sonic Frontiers Line 1 preamp
Audio Note ANE-SPE speakers
Apature cables Strengths: Awesome support from the US distributor. Wonderful mids and highs. Holographic sound. Superb bass with the WE valves. They look and sound like $5000 amps. Weaknesses: Socially, you won't get the time of day from people who have invested $10K+ in their SET systems... be prepared to be mocked :-)
You probably need to get some very efficient speakers, or maybe bi-amp with a sub if your room is big. My own room is small and I have 93db efficent speakers.
In my humble experience, the performance is better with a simple swap of the cathode resistor (if I can do the soldering, ANYONE can do the soldering). I have not tried any capacitor changes or mods besides the cathode resistor and valves. Similar Products Used: Audio Note P2SE, Audio Note Soro, Continuum Unison Integrated, Continuum Stage+, nOrh LeAmp, McCormack DNA .5, Parasound HCA2200MkII, and some others I can't remember off hand.
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